Yes, solo players are currently unable to compete with klan vanilla. While I’m tempted to say “if you want vanilla, join a klan”, I know that’s not in the best interest of the game as a whole. Post your ideas here.

here’s a quick list of ideas – keep in mind I’ve been up all night. again.

1. diminishing returns during raids

perhaps couple this with:

2. cooldown time for raids, or perhaps a limit of one a day.

i’m also going to bring back the whole idea of a card limit, which i think would really mitigate a lot of the problems with domination in general.

scullyangel Posted:

– A limit on the number of times any given character can join a raid in a week. I would suggest 2 raids as a trial number (this would allow those who wanted to to use 12 visits at two different raids and leave a few to either save for next week or solo run.) A limit on joining would bring things more in line with the idea behind the original vanilla nerf by preventing characters without visits from getting tons of scoops. (And no, an option requiring a character have visits in order to join wouldn’t work – everyone would just leave one visit sitting there, so they could rejoin.)

I’m not wholly opposed to this, but if we’re going to make it happen, I’m going to lobby hard for increasing the amount of time on the raid timer. When there were fewer forums, turnover was faster and you could actually burn through 12 visits in two hours or less. Even when we only have 5 people raiding, it’s still damn near impossible for everyone to burn through their 12 visits in two hours. I’d like to see a 4 hour timer… that should give a decent amount of time for people to burn through their visits for the most part.

scullyangel Posted:

– A more severe restriction would be to award klan scoops only to those who control one of the 12 forums. This would be really a pretty mean restriction on the larger klans, but one that could be managed. It might be too strong a condition, since it would definitely be the scenario most open to player hate.

In theory, I like this idea. The one major drawback I see is that it’s skewed in favor of people who can actually pwn and hold the “anchor” forums. Granted, there aren’t many low level people participating in raid very much anymore, but the ones that do are going to get screwed just taking the lower level forums that keep the turnover going.

scullyangel Posted:

– Introduction of more Domination cards. There are some awesome ideas in the Domination card suggestion thread – I’d love to see 6 – 10 new cards come into the pool. Cards are generally not a good deal unless they guarantee a return on your investment. Currently The Shield is the best investment as it will always save you scoops – exactly when you want it to. Turning in 4 scoops for a Modest Improvement isn’t sound math, but it is safety. You may have half the scoops, but no one can get them until you decide. If the odds of getting those two cards are dramatically decreased things become far shakier.

– Change the way The Shield works to force auto-equip. Once you put it up, they are all up with no option to take them down. Put them up early – they could all be destroyed leaving you wide open. Don’t put them up until late – you are vulnerable during any active raiding when you don’t have time to card down between klan pwnings.

Please? I love that the moddies/shields strategy has worked so well, but it’d be nice to shake things up a little. And there actually HAVE been times when I’ve wanted to unequip a shield… that would be nice if we could.

scullyangel Posted:

– A hard cap on the number of characters one player can have in Domination in any given week. This hasn’t been talked about in awhile, and we all know the alts in the same bracket isn’t supposed to happen, but it still does. It’s one thing for klan members to work in support of each other, it’s quite another to be able to run 2 characters personally in order to achieve maximum results. In the current round there are alts of the same players in several brackets. I had alts in the same bracket last week. Sometimes it just falls that way when you have alts with similar medal counts. So say any player can have 4 characters in Domination in a given week. Unless they are all making Forumbuildr submissions, it is very easy to determine exactly which character earns a scoop first, so it wouldn’t be a problem with not getting your main in or whatever. The other thing this would help is reducing the excess klan vanilla.

I’d much rather see the seeding algorithm get fixed so alts can’t be in the same domination team. I (and a lot of others) actively play dom on multiple characters. *I* focus on the main and let the alts win if they can survive a barrage in the last hour or so, but I love playing different strategies with different chars. Hell, half the time the alt plays just to have fun throwing cards at other people. (Come on guys… admit it… you love it every time you play an asshole card on someone!)

Overspammer Posted:

WEEP this thread is WORTHLESS WEEP

In what way? Keeping in mind this is a non-RP forum.

I’d rather the shield card be eliminated, honestly.

Though the shield card does give the peeping tom card a purpose.

Oh, and I’m opposed to any sort of limitations on raiding. If there’s a set max amount of scoops you can get (like with antifreeze) then domination would become boring without the drive to try out new strategies to maximize your scoop return.

Invariel Posted:

I say again that I think the Shield should, when activated, only work against one type of card. So you can block against assholes, thieves, shotguns or destroyers, for each shield you have, keeping you vulnerable to the other three types of card.

Pointless. If you have a shield, you’ll inevitably be having more than 3. It’d diminish its usefulness somewhat but in the long run it won’t do much of anything at all.

Still pretty broken, perhaps to such an extent that you might as well not include shields at all. If you break a destroyer shield with a destroyer, but you have an asshole and a thief shield set to auto-equip, which would would be equipped? What if you wanted the Asshole shield equipped but the thief shield is equipped instead? You can’t do anything about it because you can’t unequip.

Plus, people could just mass scoops and buy tons of asshole-proof shields. It’d take ages to destroy their scoops.

Limit the number of raids you can join to 2 and increase the potential duration to 4 hrs on each. That way medium sized raids are still possible. Large raids would basically require either people raid during active game times to achieve better forum rollover or use unklanned alts to force forums to rollover on demand.

Keep the solo vanilla reward high (3 is probably a safe number but 5 might be fairly optimal) so that klanned alts serious have to consider unklanned players as a potential threat.

Limit the effectiveness of shields. It’s obvious that until they are nerfed domination is basically about amassing the largest pile of shields and modests and deploying them in the last minutes of the round. Either make a card that randomly attacks another person’s card pile (thereby enabling people to whittle away at the leader’s card stack during the week). Under a system where we can attack another person’s cardpile there will be a group effort to keep the card leaders within striking distance.

Another option would be to limit the effectiveness of shields to just asshole cards. Under this system you’d still see people make late rushes with modests but the current strategy of trying to ninja min scoops would be vulnerable to late counterattacks by your competitors.

I suspect a shield that we can declare as a shield vs assholes or a shield vs shotguns, etc might be a bit hard to code thus I suspect we’d likely see flavored shields instead each of which would only protect against one type of attack. This would force people to evaluate the likelihood of each type of attack. Do you think you will be going for mins then load up with shotgun and destroyer shields. Are you going for max scoops then stock up on asshole shields.

I want to see how this week goes first.

Pickled Dickbutt Posted:

well our members that want to solo are getting around 40 more scoops a raid than they were during normal weeks, so I’d say this isn’t necessarily the ‘fix’ it does make soloers feel like they are earning some serious scoops though.

make it so when you’re in a raid you can’t get solo scoops

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